"Of course, NOAA itself has provided some of the key data that confirm that the climate is warming; it houses one of the most significant repositories of climate data on Earth, detailing shifting atmospheric conditions, the health of coastal fisheries, ice-core and tree-ring data, and countless other data sets. Project 2025 targeted the agency for exactly this reason: NOAA’s research is “the source of much of NOAA’s climate alarmism," the policy book states."
Unfortunately this is all it is. The death cult wants to turn a profit while they burn our planet.
Accuweather tried to sue NOAA to prevent them giving forecasts to the public via the internet. Accuweather wanted to stay as a middle-man.
Accuweather and basically every forecaster is using input data from NOAA or other government agencies.
The biggest private companies could, theoretically, run proprietary models for their customers if NOAA were to quit doing forecasts altogether. For instance, the GFS is open source so someone with a big enough supercomputer could use it.
None of the models ingests that data, mostly because there is no way to ensure that personal weather stations are sited correctly. So, for instance, an anemometer has to be around 30’ above ground with no obstructions to generate usable readings. Most people putting a personal weather station in the backyard aren’t going to the trouble to locate the station where it can provide data that are usable.
Plus, surface readings are only a small part of the atmospheric picture; you need weather balloons to generate a more holistic reflection of the atmosphere at a site. There are also data generated from aircraft, but those are more one-dimensional (in the sense that they are only sampling conditions at a single altitude) than twice-daily balloon launches from selected sites. Until someone decides to implement a private, nation-wide radiosonde network, there probably won’t be a numerical prediction model that operates independently of NOAA data.
We're throwing away a whole lot just to satisfy a religious minority. What's next, getting oligarch owned and running media to start attacking evidence that supports evolution?
But maybe impolitic to mention this theory, at least with this term. Many have already heard this theory, and many who have not could be offended by the term itself.
i mean that's fine, but that applies to about 20% of the posts on this forum. Way more than that if you acknowledge the various ideologies baked into american VC culture.
Regardless, I would think that asserting that a minority is responsible for political events violates the same guidelines even more flagrantly. Coherent application of rules is important.
Hurricane season will be wild this year between NOAA and FEMA cuts, vindictive state funding, and a general restriction on accurate government statistics.
> Among its other duties, NOAA employs thousands of people to help accurately predict the weather through the National Weather Service; privatizing federal weather data has long been a project of some conservative lawmakers too.
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and taking HN threads further into flamewar? We already asked you this recently (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936238) and you've continued to do a ton of it.
NOAA? They're consistently above average in forecast accuracy.
NOAA provides the basis for basically all weather prediction in the western hemisphere. Some companies are a lil better than others because they add onto NOAA and tweak their specific algos, but yeah ultimately weather prediction is only possible to the accuracy it is because of NOAA.
> The Schoolhouse Blizzard ... hit the U.S. Great Plains on January 12, 1888. With an estimated 235 deaths, it is the world's 10th deadliest winter storm on record.
> The blizzard came unexpectedly on a relatively warm day, and many people were caught unaware, including children in one-room schoolhouses.
> The 1900 Galveston hurricane .. is the deadliest natural disaster in United States history. ... it left between 6,000 and 12,000 fatalities in the United States ...
> The Weather Bureau forecasters had no way of knowing the storm's trajectory, as Weather Bureau director Willis Luther Moore implemented a policy to block telegraph reports from Cuban meteorologists at the meteorological observatory of the Colegio de Belén in Havana – considered one of the most advanced meteorological institutions in the world at the time – due to tensions in the aftermath of the Spanish–American War. Moore also changed protocol to force local Weather Bureau offices to seek authorization from the central office before issuing storm warnings.
It also saves a lot of money. If a storm is coming, when do you need to divert incoming flights because the weather will be too bad? How much staff do you need to clear the roads for the upcoming snowstorm? Does the likely storm damage justify harvesting early? How much of the coast should be under a hurricane warning?
* https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2025/02/noaa-cut...
* https://archive.is/vk082
"Of course, NOAA itself has provided some of the key data that confirm that the climate is warming; it houses one of the most significant repositories of climate data on Earth, detailing shifting atmospheric conditions, the health of coastal fisheries, ice-core and tree-ring data, and countless other data sets. Project 2025 targeted the agency for exactly this reason: NOAA’s research is “the source of much of NOAA’s climate alarmism," the policy book states."
Unfortunately this is all it is. The death cult wants to turn a profit while they burn our planet.
Well it's also Accuweather getting their revenge for a well functioning not-for-profit weather service despite their prior attempts to kneecap it.
I don’t know about AccuWeather specifically, but don’t most weather sites ultimately get their forecasts from the National Weather Service?
Accuweather tried to sue NOAA to prevent them giving forecasts to the public via the internet. Accuweather wanted to stay as a middle-man.
Accuweather and basically every forecaster is using input data from NOAA or other government agencies.
The biggest private companies could, theoretically, run proprietary models for their customers if NOAA were to quit doing forecasts altogether. For instance, the GFS is open source so someone with a big enough supercomputer could use it.
How much data are they pulling from privately-owned weather monitoring systems in people's backyards?
None of the models ingests that data, mostly because there is no way to ensure that personal weather stations are sited correctly. So, for instance, an anemometer has to be around 30’ above ground with no obstructions to generate usable readings. Most people putting a personal weather station in the backyard aren’t going to the trouble to locate the station where it can provide data that are usable.
Plus, surface readings are only a small part of the atmospheric picture; you need weather balloons to generate a more holistic reflection of the atmosphere at a site. There are also data generated from aircraft, but those are more one-dimensional (in the sense that they are only sampling conditions at a single altitude) than twice-daily balloon launches from selected sites. Until someone decides to implement a private, nation-wide radiosonde network, there probably won’t be a numerical prediction model that operates independently of NOAA data.
NOAA's weather satellites also provide atmospheric moisture measurements that are integral in predictive modeling.
See recent "Trump bars federal scientists from working on pivotal global [IPCC] climate report":
* https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/climate/trump-blocks-scientis...
We're throwing away a whole lot just to satisfy a religious minority. What's next, getting oligarch owned and running media to start attacking evidence that supports evolution?
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The term of art I've heard in English (a little different than the exact term they used) is appropriate to their point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
But maybe impolitic to mention this theory, at least with this term. Many have already heard this theory, and many who have not could be offended by the term itself.
i mean that's fine, but that applies to about 20% of the posts on this forum. Way more than that if you acknowledge the various ideologies baked into american VC culture.
Regardless, I would think that asserting that a minority is responsible for political events violates the same guidelines even more flagrantly. Coherent application of rules is important.
Hurricane season will be wild this year between NOAA and FEMA cuts, vindictive state funding, and a general restriction on accurate government statistics.
The apocalypse won’t be televised. Don’t Look Up was supposed to be a parody.
> Among its other duties, NOAA employs thousands of people to help accurately predict the weather through the National Weather Service; privatizing federal weather data has long been a project of some conservative lawmakers too.
John Oliver had a show on this during Trump 1.0:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8
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Oil and Gas will just pay for premium forecasts we all get for free now.
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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
ok, I'm sorry, I think that politics are consuming me, it's driving my thoughts more than it should.
I'll take some time off, breath some fresh air, and improve.
Again.. sorry.
I understand, believe me! It's clear that a lot of us are experiencing this right now.
Thanks for the kind reply.
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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and taking HN threads further into flamewar? We already asked you this recently (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936238) and you've continued to do a ton of it.
If you keep this up, we're going to have to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
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Please consider making that case in a more substantive manner.
Glib off the cuff ankle deep sophisms do well on reddit, here you can have impact making a stronger case.
Yep. We're legitimately under attack.
It hasn't been reliable for at least the last 8 years now.
NOAA? They're consistently above average in forecast accuracy.
NOAA provides the basis for basically all weather prediction in the western hemisphere. Some companies are a lil better than others because they add onto NOAA and tweak their specific algos, but yeah ultimately weather prediction is only possible to the accuracy it is because of NOAA.
Well have to just look out our windows to determine if we need umbrellas or a coat I guess. Like we've done for a hundred thousand years...?
The Amish radar is accurate but struggles with prediction.
The modern weather service started in part due to the failures of the earlier model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolhouse_Blizzard
> The Schoolhouse Blizzard ... hit the U.S. Great Plains on January 12, 1888. With an estimated 235 deaths, it is the world's 10th deadliest winter storm on record.
> The blizzard came unexpectedly on a relatively warm day, and many people were caught unaware, including children in one-room schoolhouses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane
> The 1900 Galveston hurricane .. is the deadliest natural disaster in United States history. ... it left between 6,000 and 12,000 fatalities in the United States ...
> The Weather Bureau forecasters had no way of knowing the storm's trajectory, as Weather Bureau director Willis Luther Moore implemented a policy to block telegraph reports from Cuban meteorologists at the meteorological observatory of the Colegio de Belén in Havana – considered one of the most advanced meteorological institutions in the world at the time – due to tensions in the aftermath of the Spanish–American War. Moore also changed protocol to force local Weather Bureau offices to seek authorization from the central office before issuing storm warnings.
It also saves a lot of money. If a storm is coming, when do you need to divert incoming flights because the weather will be too bad? How much staff do you need to clear the roads for the upcoming snowstorm? Does the likely storm damage justify harvesting early? How much of the coast should be under a hurricane warning?